Grassroots Spirit for Music that Deserves Better: Hedigan’s Interview Part 2

“Music’s Trustworthiness: Just Tune In and Listen” (OUCHI)

-How do the two of you view the word “logic”? Yonce, you are also a farmer, but the natural world is a world where human logic does not apply, isn’t it?

YONCE： It is not that “logic” is bad. On the contrary, “ethics” is also bad. Just in the past few days, I was thinking about what I would write an answer song to this song. Ethics is a whore. It doesn’t rhyme, though [laughs].

Ouchi： Oh, that’s funny [laughs].

YONCE: Ethics sleeps with everyone. Because all kinds of ethics are attached to all kinds of great things. On the other hand, the mechanism that logic solves should make sense, but it is also a fact that it becomes all about that and the soul is left behind. This is actually the case now that humans are being replaced by AI.

The title of the book is “Logic” and people who say that don’t seem to have any friends [laughs]. Argumentation is, in essence, a predator. I wonder why we treat people with the intention of eating them one way or the other. It is, after all, a life in which you have to keep fighting for the last seat, and there is nothing left around you.

Ouchi： I think it is really lonelier for those who try to climb the highest mountains, aiming for something like the strongest logic. I think it is people who don’t think they can build a relationship with the people they are facing, or people who have given up on that a little. We too, when people say, “Well, how many copies did you sell in the end?” [laughs]. So in some world lines, we may be completely defeated.

-That is a story that leads to the “manner of defeat” in music.

Ouchi： I think there are good ways to lose. It is necessary to have a margin of safety, though. Losing is a luxury.

-You guys played three new songs on the tour, and we are still trying to write new songs, which means that you want to keep Hedigan’s going strong in the future, right?

YONCE: Of course. The contents of this EP have been very varied, and we were able to include quite a few different tastes, so in the end there is still room to do anything. Since we ourselves are not set in our minds about the band, there is no end to our interest.

Ouchi： We have had a sense of what we want to do after being active and touring, so the feeling of the music we want to play will probably change again.

YONCE： What I find interesting about Hedigan’s is that each part of the band is not directed by someone else, but as a collective, there is a sense of “I’m being asked to do something I don’t understand again. I wonder what Hedigan’s is going to do to me this time” [laughs].

Ouchi： The performance changed quite a bit during the tour. I didn’t say in words, “I think it would be better if we did this,” but everyone was doing things like, “Are you doing that today?

YONCE: It has changed. It’s still interesting. Everything is good, including that.

Ouchi： Music is reliable. All you have to do is listen to what he says.

YONCE: It’s not a big goal of mine, but I would like to see music become a more wonderful thing. I am a little concerned about that, and I feel sorry for music. I think we have to do it on a grassroots basis, because it won’t change unless people realize it.